• Title: Parmenide
  • Author: Plato Franco Ferrari
  • ISBN: 9788817001564
  • Page: 126
  • Format: Paperback
  • Parmenide In questo che uno degli ultimi suoi dialoghi Platone sottopone a una severa critica la propria dottrina delle idee confrontandola con le posizioni di Zenone e di Parmenide Zenone sostiene l impossibi
    In questo che uno degli ultimi suoi dialoghi, Platone sottopone a una severa critica la propria dottrina delle idee confrontandola con le posizioni di Zenone e di Parmenide Zenone sostiene l impossibilit dell esistenza del molteplice, confermando la tesi di Parmenide secondo la quale solo l Uno, immutabile ed eterno, esiste Socrate obietta che quanto sostiene Zenone In questo che uno degli ultimi suoi dialoghi, Platone sottopone a una severa critica la propria dottrina delle idee confrontandola con le posizioni di Zenone e di Parmenide Zenone sostiene l impossibilit dell esistenza del molteplice, confermando la tesi di Parmenide secondo la quale solo l Uno, immutabile ed eterno, esiste Socrate obietta che quanto sostiene Zenone errato, in quanto si limita solo all ambito del molteplice sensibile e non a quello del molteplice ideale Parmenide interviene ammettendo la validit delle affermazioni di Socrate, ma facendo notare come sia impossibile accettare il molteplice anche nel mondo delle idee, in quanto l idea di uomo riassume una molteplicit infinita di uomini.

    One Reply to “Parmenide”

    1. I am interested to discover that the doctrine of the One is still alive. It is now going by the name of blobjectivism, and is being met with the usual uninformed derision. Only fifteen minutes ago, Matt cruelly dismissed it in the following terms:I opened the link and closed it right away. I mostly saw ����������� Is this blobjectivism?Ah, Matt, if only Parmenides of Elea were still with us! He'd put you in your place and tell you that all you need to do is switch the codin [...]

    2. تا اینجایی که من افلاطون خوندم " پارمنیدس " سخت ترین و گیج کننده ترین و مبهم ترین محاوره ی افلاطون بوده. جوری که اصلا مطمئن نیستم درست حسابی فهمیدش یا نه.این تنها محاوره ی افلاطونه که سقراط نماینده اش نیست و به جاش پارمنیدس کاری که همیشه سقراط انجام میده رو انجام میده. محاوره دو [...]

    3. Parmenides is the most intriguing of plato's dialogues. I like this dialogue for a couple of reasons.Firstly, the usual roles are reversed. Socrates here is a young and inexperienced lad and he is the one to be cross examined. Secondly it features Parmenides, whose metaphysics is very interesting. First part of the dialogue deals with the internal inconsistencies and the incompleteness of the theory of forms. Here Plato criticises his own theory through Parmenides by reductio ad absurdum argumen [...]

    4. Maybe I should have just stuck with Green Eggs and Ham. I’m not really qualified to rate the book, and I didn’t try to struggle through many of the logic puzzles, though the Parmenides seems to be as much about ontology and to some extent language (or at least the verb “to be”) as it is about valid argument. And as is characteristic with Plato, it’s about considerably more, famously presenting serious and unresolved challenges to his Theory of Forms – part epistemology, part ontology [...]

    5. I think there are three ways to see "The One". The ultimate Good and the source of all reality, our consciousness for when we think, and literally the number '1', each are different ways for how we understand the nature of existence (being). We think about being either by our understanding, our experience, our ideas, our contemplation or our lack of contemplation (Heidegger, e.g.). Each is equally valid in its on way. I've recently read Hegel's Phenomenology and that led me to his "Science of Lo [...]

    6. After a long hiatus, I picked up Plato's dialogues again in 2005. No review or notes written at the time and I don't recall my thoughts. The only thing I did was quote the following on the Book Talk Forum at BookCrossing:Parmenides: Then the one which is not, if it is to maintain itself, must have the being of not-being, just as being must have as a bond the not-being of not-being in order to perfect its own being; for the truest assertion of the being of being and of the not-being of not-being [...]

    7. I read this dialogue and was exhausted by its repetitive and confusing arguments. Only now that I've had time to step away from it and discuss it with others has the true beauty of The Parmenides' message struck me. This book allowed me to see everything as unified in a way I could never conceive of before. Everything: humans, love, mud, table, and injustice are one. It is only because of this connection that we can afford to think of ourselves as separate entities; I can call myself "I" in a co [...]

    8. What the hell did I just read? I will give someone money if they can understand this:"Then the one which is not, if it is to maintain itself, must havethe being of not-being as the bond of not-being, just as being musthave as a bond the not-being of not-being in order to perfect itsown being; for the truest assertion of the being of being and of thenot-being of not being is when being partakes of the being of being,and not of the being of not-being-that is, the perfection of being;and when not-b [...]

    9. Most difficult Plato I've read. Part 2 is basically incomprehensible in the Jowett translation, no matter how many times you read it. Looking forward to finding a more thorough analysis of all the deductions made in part 2. There are many mentions of the "one" and the "many" - presumably something to do with (or even referring to) Plato's idea of Forms, which end up being quite confusing. But even in my current state of understanding, I can follow limited trains of thought. There are echoes of m [...]

    10. Another book required for Traditional CosmologiesI am so confused: What is the one? Does the one exist in linear or cyclic time? Is the one based on mathematics? Does it promote equality? Is the one many or many one? Does it provide knowledge? Is the one motionless? Does the one truly exist? HELP!!!

    11. Τὸν μὲν τοῦ Πλάτονος Παρμενίδην βραδέως ἀνεγίγνωσκον, οἴομαι δὲ λίαν ταχὺ ἀναγνῶναι · πεντήκοντα γοῦν πτυχὰς ἡμέραις ἑπτὰ κινδύνευμα μόγις σφοδρόν. Πολλὰ δὴ ἐνεστι ἃ χπὴ νοηθῆναι · τοίγαρ τελευτήσας οὐκ ἐπαυόμην τοῦ λόγου ἐνθυούμενος. δεῖ γέ με πάλι [...]

    12. ألا تعتقد بأن هناك مثالًا للمشابهة قائمًا بذاته وآخر مقابلًا له هو ماهية المشابهة؟ وأن هذه الازدواجية في المثل نشارك فيها أنا وأنت وجميع الأشياء الأخرى التي نطلق عليها كثرة؟ أو أن الأشياء بقدر ما تشارك وعلى نحو ما تشارك تكون متشابهة إذا شاركت في التشابه، وتكون غير متشابهة إ [...]

    13. Parmenides is written by Plato to understand his philosophy.Parmenides is one of the first physicist in the Ancient Greek times. His philosophy cannot be understood very easily, but it's unique and it's very important to understand his "ONE" for the knowledge, real, truth, being, non-being(sirbookstore/parmenidesml)

    14. Dear heavens, this book is challenging my nerve as a mathematician. My mathematician personality usually stays in dormant state when I read, and my psychoanalytic-historic-philosophic-whatever personality usually hibernates when I'm at work. I kind of like, and put a lot of effort into keeping this clear-cut dichotomy between work and private life, but, boy, the divine Plato could do what others couldn't.All things went bloody wrong the moment they assumed that One is some entity. If I ever want [...]

    15. "إن الشئ لا يحتاج لأن يصبح مختلفا عما هو مختلف عنه من قبل بيد أنه يختلف الآن بالفعل عما هو مختلف عنه و هو قد أصبح مختلفا عما اختلف عنه و هو سوف يختلف عما سيكون مختلفا عنه أما الشئ الذي في صيرورة الاختلاف فلا يمكن لشئ آخر أن يكون قد اختلف عنه أو عليه أن يختلف عنه أو هو مختلف عنه. إن [...]

    16. ParmenidesPlaton (Eflatun)türkçe de;İmge Kitabevi YayınlarıÇevirmen : Saffet Babürisbn-9789755331249107 sayfa1. Baskı, 19892. Baskı, 19963. Baskı, 2001-------------dünyada iki çeşit insan vardır;1-sigara içenler,2-içmeyenler.dünyada iki çeşit insan vardır;1-kitap okuyanlar,2-okumayanlar.dünyada iki çeşit insan vardır;1-felsefe, felsefe kitabı okuyanlar, bilenler.2-okumayanlar nihayet, dünyada iki çeşit insan vardır;1-platonun bu kitabını okuyanlarr,2-ve okumayanlar [...]

    17. Tartismada yok yok. Russel paradoksu, Zenon'un paradokslara yol acan on fikirleri, post-yapisalci sacmalamalarin ilk kokenleri, Kant/Hegel, Heidegger, dil bilim, virtuel kavrami, Lacan vs. Adeta "Tum felsefeciler Platon'un paltosundan cikti" sozunun dogrulugunu kanitlamak icin yazilmis sanki. Incelemek isteyenler, her cumle inanilmaz yuklu. Bu sebeple alin onunuze kagidi kalemi, sekil cizerek -cunku Bir/Hen ancak hayal edilerek ya da cizilerek dusunulebilecek bir kavram- calisin. Aziz Yardimli'y [...]

    18. So Elmore Leonard says that readers tend to skip thick paragraphs of prose you can see have too many words in them, but no one skips dialogues. and here where Plato's genius idea comes plus to his believe that you can't actually change people's minds but you let them find the way by themselves.

    19. Change without change!still influence to quantum physics and physcists (prized Noble).A Beautiful Question: Finding Nature's Deep Design

    20. If the Mad Hatter ever wrote a philosophy book, this would be it. Even scholars can't make any sense of it.

    21. 38 pages"Then the one which is not, if it is to maintain itself, must have the being of not-being as the bond of not-being, just as being must have as a bond the not-being of not-being in order to perfect its own being; for the truest assertion of the being of being and of the not-being of not-being is when being partakes of the being of being, and not of the being of not-being—that is, the perfection of being; and when not-being does not partake of the not-being of not-being but of the being [...]

    22. The contrast between Parmenides and Heraclitus is stark and their differences led to deeper and more rugged philosophies, like the skepticism of the Sophists. Perhaps, both Parmenides and Heraclitus, could have benefited from the relative perspectives of the sophist. They both were similar by their inquiry which was not dependent on god(s?) and with their absolutist approach. "Being” (it is) signifies something as omnipresent/universal and for Parmenides it is “forever identical and unchangi [...]

    23. Intragável"Pois então afirmemo-lo, com o seguinte acréscimo, como parece: Quer o Uno exista quer não exista, tanto ele como as outras coisas, ou seja em relação com ele mesmo ou em suas relações recíprocas, todos eles de toda a maneira são tudo e não são nada, parecem ser tudo e não parecem nada."Certamente não estou maduro o suficiente pra ler, entender e achar útil para alguém. Vou reler daqui há alguns anos e tentar tirar algum proveito melhor dessa leitura.

    24. Dense and confusing. Even Plato struggled with Parmenides. I feel better knowing that the struggle, at least, is real.

    25. Very interesting dialogue in which Plato seems to criticize his own doctrine of Forms. Read in 2016 or 2017.

    26. The young Socrates (about 19) gets schooled by Parmenides, the wise old elder, on the notion of oneness and Being. Socrates attempts to be sophisticated in these things but is not so successful. According to Parmenides, one must be properly trained to understand these things (truth, knowledge, forms) and only the very gifted are able to teach such knowledge to others. The dialectic is central if Socrates is “to achieve a full view of the Truth.” Part II of this dialogue has Parmenides going [...]

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